Residency Interviews!

Alrighty! You asked and I’m delivering. Actually you didn’t ask but I’m delivering anyways.

You welcome.

Residency interviews are a bit different than medical school interviews. It isn’t trying to convince someone why you want to do medicine and why you have the determination and persistence enough to succeed as a doctor. No. You’ve already done that.

You did your time. You’ve shown you can make it through medical school.

Now it is about trying to find a program that fits well with you and if you fit with them. Sure, some places weight board scores heavily. NRMP director’s report tells you how residency programs tend to weigh/prioritize your application responses. [Go to page 10 on this report; there are multiple charts you can look at for this information.] Other data from the match site itself is available for you to look at as well. But overall, doing a sub-I/audition can make or break your ability to get an interview especially if you try and get along at that institution.

They want to know typically more why you want to do that specialty. Sometimes why that program, but mostly why that specialty. Can you show you are passionate enough in the way you answer/speak about the specialty? Other than that, questions can range to nitpicking apart your application to just wanting to get to know you to see if you are a reasonable and likable person. Remember, you are about to work with these people very closely for 3-5 years (in most cases, unless you do neurosurgery…). They need to know you are a hard worker, can take direction and be taught, and get along well with others. Can you handle when people get upset? Can you take direction from a resident above you in their training even if they are younger than you in real life?

All of these questions are things that need to be answered when a place is interviewing you. Again, residency is more about the fit between you and the program. Whereas med school was more about can you succeed if we take a chance on you.

What an Interview Day Looks Like:

I have asked a few students to tell me how their interview days were across a few specialties. In general, it seemed like medicine interviews were longer days with many more individual interviews, whereas surgery tended to be shorter days/interview times and with either less people or you would interview with many people in a room with you.

These responses are based on the average/overall from several interviews during their application cycle. Each interview likely ran different, even if only slightly. Please take this into consideration with their responses.

From someone applying ENT:

  • Interviews were usually 30 minutes maximum.
  • If you did an audition it could be as little s 10 minutes for an interview
  • In this case, residents also interviewed by hosting breakout rooms. This individual had interviewed with a chief and/or two junior residents this way as well

From someone applying Ortho:

  • Interview day usually lasted 3 hours to half a day.
  • An average of 5 interviews the day of with different people, one of which was a chief resident or another senior resident

When I applied general surgery:

  • My shortest interview was 10 minutes. My max interview was 45 minutes.
  • 2 of my interviews (as these were virtual) had myself and several people all in another room or connected from different rooms. There were a range of residents present on my interviews (including chiefs) and several faculty members and the PD.
  • The one place where I interviewed in person, I had 3 separate interviews ranging from 10 minutes to 30 minutes.
  • One interview had second years available for us to answer questions about the program in-between people interviewing.

Internal medicine (from several students):

  • Some places gave an itinerary for the interview day
  • Interview days on average seemed to be half a day or somewhere between 4-5 hours.
  • Range of interviews from one student: 2-8, another: 3-5, and another: 2-10.
  • Interview times with individuals would range between 15-25 minutes amongst the answers given.
  • Some students also attended morning report and noon conference on their interviews.

Number of Interviews Per Specialty for Successful Match:

Now, this doesn’t mean you won’t match if you don’t get this many interviews. This is just the average. I have personally known cases where someone has only had ONE interview in their specialty of choice and had matched there. They worked their ass off at that audition, but they matched with only one interview. It is possible; it is just not the norm or commonality.

I only had 3 interviews for general surgery. Again, I am a DO, and I had shitty board scores. 2/3 interviews were at places I auditioned at. One was a DO specific program in my home state.

Probability of U.S. DO Seniors Matching to Preferred Specialty by Number of Contiguous Ranks

Specialty80% Chance of Matching90% Chance of Matching
Anesthesia69
Dermatology68
Diagnostic Radiology69
Emergency Medicine68
Family Medicine46
General Surgery911
Internal Medicine46
Interventional Radiology79
Neurology46
Neurosurgery20 
OB/GYN912
Otolaryngology79
Orthopedic Surgery68
Pathology15
Pediatrics45
PM&R812
Plastic SurgeryNo data availableNo data available
Psychiatry810
Vascular Surgery34
Data provided to me by my school’s residency coordinators. Not sure how up to date this is.



Prepping:

So, just like with every other interview you need to prepare. Again, just like my medical school interview, I didn’t do a ton of prepping. Because let’s face it….. I like to fly by the seat of my pants. However some people spend an entire week prepping.

Things you should do:

  • Review your personal statement/familiarize yourself with it
  • Review your application. What did you put on there for experiences? Do you remember your scores? What did you put under about me/what you like to do?
  • Look into the program you are applying at. While some of your interviews may be at programs that you randomly applied too, make sure you get the underlying gist of the program. You will need this to ask questions. They may also ask you why that program.

I’ve had questions asked about all of these to me. So at least review what you put. It won’t hurt to refresh your memory and give you good ideas of things to talk about. Some of my interviews were very by the book like this and they straight up asked me to confirm things/expand on my application what I put. Some really just asked me random things/wanted to get to know me.

I have put some links that I used to prep. There were definitely curveball questions at one site that I wasn’t expecting and no amount of prepping would have helped.

Common Interview Questions

110 Residency Interview Questions

100 more Residency Interview Questions

A common thing I was asked was to explain my poor board scores and how I planned to improve my scores in residency. Some places just wanted to know I had thought about a plan to improve. Since my board scores were my weakest part of my application, this one was asked at 2/3 places I interviewed at.

THINGS YOU SHOULD NOT BE ASKED:

Yes, actually. There are things that they cannot ask you (but try to anyways because they are pricks) and shouldn’t ask you. I found a blog post interviewing another physician on these types of questions and different ways you can answer them. This post/blog is very woman-centric but the information in this post is very good.

Here is a study done on what questions were asked and the percentage that was asked. Very interesting read. Titled “Potentially Discriminatory Questions During Residency Interviews: Frequency and Effects on Residents’ Ranking of Programs in the National Resident Matching Program.” Honestly, I would have picked a shorter title but whatevs.

Tracking Interviews:

As a suggestion from another fourth year, she recommended keeping an excel sheet/google sheets document with dates of your interviews and zoom links. Along with other information. This way, you don’t need to panic trying to find the one email in your inbox with all this information on it. You can also organize it in a way that makes sense to you.

Additionally, if you are lucky enough to get multiple interviews or more than you feel you need, you do not need to take all of them. Make sure if you did auditions there you do try to interview with them (as you did take your time to go to their program). But if you feel you have too many or there are programs that you threw your application into the wind at and just aren’t feeling it, you are able to decline their interview offer.

Wardrobe:

At this point you should know how to dress professionally. NOT BUSINESS CASUAL LIKE WHEN YOU WORK AT AN OFFICE. Needs to be a suit and tie for men. And a suit and/or appropriate work dress with suit blazer for women. Women should wear nylons or tights if wearing a skirt/dress. Otherwise, I think you can figure this out.

In Person vs Zoom?

So, I preferred zoom just because I didn’t have to travel back to a location that I did a rotation at and it was easier. I had a slip-up with one of mine due to time changes and let me tell you I was glad I was already home. Straight up threw on a blouse and suit jacket and left sweatpants on. You know… classy.

Zoom will save you money on traveling and time. But if you are able to get an interview while rotating there in person I do think in person is the best way to gauge a program. You get to physically feel the room and how things are going. Plus, while there you’ve either been working there or visiting there and you get an idea of the program and people itself. Hard to do over zoom.

Call Schedule

Make sure you ask about this. It is appropriate to know several things since you will be a resident there. If the call schedule seems wayyy to hectic maybe not the program for you. You are gunna be run down and tired as a resident. No need to make your life harder if the call schedule is insane.

  • How often do you have call?
  • Do you have a post-call day? Or are you expected to work the entire full workday following call?
  • Is call based on nights vs weekends, is it a full 24 hours, etc.
  • Do you have a buddy system for first years?
  • How many teams are you responsible for during call?


QUESTIONS TO ASK YOUR PROGRAM

These questions are by far going to change based on location/program/and specialty. These were mine. You can add/delete/change things for yourselves and obviously you need to ask questions that will work for you and your specialty. Again, this is just to help you out if you are stuck. I do recommend if you are rotating there you will come up with questions while you are there so make sure to have a list. If you get offered an interview, ask the most pressing questions you want to know during the interview. Usually 1-3 are fine per person/group of people. The rest ask the residents.

  • what % of graduates that pursue fellowships get accepted?
  • any global health opportunities?
  • How frequent are residents required to travel to other cities for rotations? (If they have other locations this is something to ask).
  • what opportunities are there to practice my skills outside of the OR? I.e. skills labs?
  • what are you doing to improve the program?
  • what advice to you have for me to succeed in this position?
  • early intra-operative experiences?

Hope this was helpful and good luck. Cheers!

Premed Series: MD versus DO?

Hello hello!

Now, I wasn’t sure what ya’ll really wanted to know from this. By the time you are applying to medical school you likely have a good grasp on the differences between MD and DO. It will be a bit more DO heavy, and will obviously be based on how I’ve experienced this at KCU. But just in case you are still deciding and this is the beginning of your journey, OR you want some more clarification, keep reading!

What does MD and DO stand for?

Ah, I’m so glad you asked.

MD stands for Medicinae doctor, which is a fancy way of saying Doctor of Medicine. It is the allopathic branch of medicine here in the United States. It is one of the main forms of Western medicine that we recognize today. According to thenewmedicine.org, allopathic medicine became more official after creating the American Medical Association in 1848.

DO came around much later than MD, so we aren’t as fancy in the Latin naming department. But DO stands for Doctor of Osteopathic medicine. I can give you way more information about DO simply because I’m studying it. But long story short, a guy in Missouri by the name of A.T. Still created this branch of medicine in 1874. Better yet, he is quoted stating “On June 22nd 1874,  I flung to the breeze the banner of Osteopathy“. I have a whole blog post on Osteopathy here. 

What differentiates them now?

So, because osteopathy turned osteopathic medicine was seen as voodoo and witchcraft if you will for awhile by allopathic doctors, there was a period of time where they offered DO’s to get their MD license for a certain fee. I don’t remember the year. It’s somewhere in my notes and I’m too lazy to go hunt for it. Just take my word.

However, the DO’s fought strongly if you will, and eventually became accepted (to a degree). There is still some backlash by certain MD’s, particularly of the almost retired age. But, we literally do the same things MD’s do in every aspect except we use OMT (osteopathic manipulative medicine). In layman’s terms it means that “bone popping” stuff, but we do so much more than that. Popping, or as we call it HVLA (high velocity low amplitude) is a very small portion of OMT. And in all reality, just because you want something popped doesn’t mean you need it.

So, if you decide to pursue the osteopathic route, you do a bit extra. We call it “an extra tool in our toolbox” to treat patients. Not all DO’s once they graduate incorporate it as not every specialty may call for it.  On the flip side, many DO’s still incorporate some techniques into their practices.

What does this mean as a DO student?

When you first start out in your first 2 years (or didactics), you learn your coursework for your systems, you start learning how to be a doctor such as physical exam skills, learning to interview, and using that shiny new stethoscope. You also start learning how to do OMT! At the very beginning of learning OMT, you have absolutely no idea what you are doing. To be frank, there are somethings I’m really good at and others I absolutely suck at. Sometimes you just can’t feel it.

So you start learning how to try to “train” your hands and you start learning a bunch of ways to diagnose someone along with a bunch of techniques. You get tested both on written exams on these principles and how to do these techniques. You will also be tested on if your hands can produce the diagnosis and treatment as well. Our school calls them CPA’s, and they are a big chunk of our grade. The downside to when you first start is on one task, they ask you to diagnose your patient. But on the second task, they ask for a completely different treatment (unrelated to your diagnosis) to show them. This plainly is because you haven’t learned enough and they want to make sure you know how to do the treatments that they have been teaching you.

The further in you get, you will be asked to diagnose and then treat either the problem you found with a treatment of your choice OR they will give you a modality to use, and it is up to you to use it correctly for the problem at hand.

What are these treatment modalities you keep throwing around?

Basically, they are the different ways I can treat you for the problem that I find. Sometimes, depending on if you’ve injured yourself, you are sick, or your body just doesn’t like certain treatments, we may pick an indirect technique. Usually more healthy patients can tolerate direct techniques. But every patient and body is different. I won’t necessarily delve too much into this. That’s what going to osteopathic medical school is for!

Modalities are as follows:

  • Soft tissue (ST) which is direct
  • Myofascial release (MFR) which is direct or indirect
  • Articulatory (ART) is direct
  • Facilitated positional release (FPR) which is indirect
  • Balanced ligamentous tension (BLT) is also indirect
  • Still’s (named after the original bone wizard A.T. Still!) can be either
  • Muscle energy (ME) is direct
  • High velocity low amplitude (HVLA) is direct
  • Counterstrain (CS) is indirect
  • Chapman’s points and Viscerosomatics typically fall under direct.
  • Craniosacral can be direct or indirect.

What is the difference in schooling?

Well, we mostly covered that above. DO students spend extra time learning OMT and there is a large focus on treating the patient as a whole, not just a specific problem. But other than that, we learn the same things.

However, different schools (even within MD and DO) go about teaching in different ways. This is why going to the school’s site you are interested in is important. The gist of your questions are the same no matter what type of school you are looking at though.

So what does that look like?

  • Does your school go by a traditional grading system (like KCU) or do they do a P/F system?
  • Do they go by systems or subject?
  • Are your courses longitudinal or block? Are they mixed? For example, KCU is taught by systems in a block schedule. So we do one main subject for x amount of weeks before we move onto the next one. Then we have a handful of longitudinal courses that go all year round. So, I may only have 3 or 4 classes total, with one main one. Another school may have 7 classes that go all year round.
  • Do you have cadavers or is it virtual? Personally, I really enjoyed having a cadaver. Made things more realistic. Turns out main structures can be tough to get too, yet oh so delicate at the same time.
  • What type of services do they offer students?
  • Is the campus more student friendly or more traditional in the sense that it is faculty based?
  • How much exposure and practice does the school integrate when it comes to practicing my exam and patient interviewing skills?
  • How does the school prepare you for boards? How well has the school ranked with board scores?
  • If you are interested in research, are there opportunities for this?

You get the idea. All of these things are important when looking at schools to apply at. Not only do you need to look at the specific schools website for some of this, but you may need to scour additional sites to get a better idea per the students.

Just remember, med students can get pretty salty so take it with a grain of salt. Ha, hahaha. 

What are the differences for getting into medical school?

Honestly, they are pretty much the same. You need to have the basic pre-med/science courses down. Each school may require slightly different “required” courses versus “recommended” courses. Check out my “Pre-Med Courses: What to Take Before Medical School” post for more information.

Before you get too far into undergrad, make sure you’ve looked at some medical school sites to see what those courses are. You want to have enough time to incorporate any additional courses that aren’t in your required major, but that schools you are interested in going to require/favor so you don’t have to spend money on postbac courses.

What you need for your application:

  • Required and recommended science courses (which do slightly vary from school to school).
  • A good GPA. High overall GPA is always good, but you need to make sure your science only GPA is also high.
  • MCAT. You aren’t really getting out of this unless you do one of those fancy programs from high school to medical school. Honestly, I think taking the MCAT (even if it is a beast) is a necessary step to growing as an individual. You need to learn failure and hardworking at some point in life. The current average MCAT score is 500. Most schools won’t look at you if you are below this unless you have a super compelling application outside of that. Some schools don’t give you the time of day unless you meet their average. Such as the top 10 schools, coastal schools, etc want a higher MCAT score.
  • Volunteering. You need a good mix of medical and what you are personally interested in. By the time you get to applying, they mostly look at what you did in undergrad. Unless you did something for all 4 years of high school, they likely won’t care. They want to know that you could balance extra things in undergrad while prepping for medical school. There is no set number, But the more you are able to incorporate with different experiences the better. And honestly, pick a few things or one thing that you are really passionate about outside of medicine. Passion shines brighter than mediocre requirements.
  • Shadowing. A must. You need to show you’ve seen what the field is like. For DO students/applicants, it is highly recommended that you’ve shadowed a DO. Find out with each specific schools if this is required or recommended. Why? No clue. They literally do the same things. But, that’s what DO schools like to see.
  • Even better than shadowing is patient care experience. Get in there and get your hands dirty! You are also more apt to get a good letter of rec this way.
  • Speaking of Letter of Rec’s, you need these. Usually 3 is good, sometimes up to 5 is fine. Anything else and they won’t look. Make sure they are strong though. Don’t just ask someone that doesn’t know you well. And for DO schools, you need at least 1 DO to write you a letter of rec. Again, most of the time DO schools prefer a letter of rec be from a DO, but it is not necessary for all DO schools. In general, make sure you are making strong connections so they have positive things to write about you. You usually need 1-2 science professors and a physician. Each school has separate requirements for this as well, so make sure to peruse the sites so you have what they want. Otherwise, they will just toss your application out.
  • Research. I honestly didn’t really do this, but for MD schools they look very favorably on this. But in general, the more you are able to immerse yourself into the science and medical fields before-hand, the better.
  • Have a list of meaningful experiences and why. These will be your highlighted achievements when filling out your application. They can be from the above categories, but you need to make sure you have a compelling reason as to why they were meaningful to you and how they will help you in medical school OR how they have helped you grow as a person, which makes you ready for medical school.
  • And lastly, that darn personal statement. I hated this. There is no great way for you to go about this. Just start writing why you want to go into medicine. Throw in some main meaningful experiences, or one main one that helped guide you to your choice of medicine. You are going to rewrite this thing a million times. And if you have to reapply for the following cycle, you will probably completely re-edit it. My advice? Make sure someone else reads it. Preferably someone in the field, but you need to make sure it is a strong piece of literature written about yourself that sells you well.

What are the differences in boards?

Same thing as previous honestly. The COMLEX which is what DO’s take has OMM (osteopathic manipulative medicine) woven in. MD’s take USMLE. Everyone takes a step 1, step 2, and step 3. You don’t get out of it either way. DO’s can take both the COMLEX and USMLE, however MD’s can only take the USMLE.

You will mostly use the same resources to study for both. First Aid is still the biggest tool, along with U world questions and pathoma. Other favorites include things like Sketchy, Boards and Beyond, Doctors In training, Kaplan, and other question banks.

When taking the exam, the style is a little different. However they just revamped the test in early 2019, as the amount of answer options varied between the two exams. I will let you know more about them once I take them this summer!

What are the differences in residencies between the two?

Previously, the match for residencies was separate. So if you wanted to go to a more MD focused residency as a DO, you’d have a harder time getting in. Vice versa for MD students. They did take students with outstanding applications though (or so I’ve heard).

In 2020, the residencies for both MD and DO will merge as one. So technically, each site should take either COMLEX or USMLE and they are supposed to be seen as equal. However, there are still some MD specific places that are not as friendly towards DO applicants and do not see the COMLEX as equal as the USMLE. I’m assuming the same if it is vice versa with some DO residencies and MD applicants.

If you are interested in a more MD oriented-type of residency in the future, you will be looking to see how many DO’s they tend to take. Most DO residencies don’t restrict on MD students unless they are very focused on integrating OMM. The hope with the merger is that they are seen as equals (because they literally are outside of OMM?) and to incorporate a more diverse set of doctors.

Hopefully with the merger in years to come, there won’t be a difference in the types of residencies.

I have also learned that regardless of those “average” board scores that you see in some of those charts *cough cough*, the main takeaway is you need to interview at a certain number of residencies to get placed. A lot of times, if you interview at enough places, your board scores and that fact that you are a DO who didn’t take USMLE doesn’t really matter.

However, if you wish to go to a more academic institution for residency REGARDLESS of what degree you have or residency you are looking for, you do need to have research on your CV. They don’t tend to take students who haven’t done research. They also tend to have you do research while in your residency as well. And if you are considering a surgical specialty, it is always a better plus that you have some research on your CV as surgical specialties tend to do more research as well.

Do MD’s and DO’s practice differently?

Not really, no. Again, some DO’s don’t use OMT at all while some do. Medical procedures and the art of taking a history, doing a physical exam, and treating patients is exactly the same. However, if a DO does use OMT, they can bill it as a procedure. Just like if you were to get a knee injection, or get your dislocated shoulder back into place, or get an IUD placed. Other than that, they practice in the same capacity.

I hope this was helpful! Let me know if there are other aspects of MD vs DO that you would like me to talk about. Cheers!